Version 1 and speed

[mccross]

I'm looking forward to trying Version 2 since the pre-announcement includes increased speed as one of the features. I've just finished loading my catalog of 30,000 photos into Photo Supreme (version 1, of course), and find the program to be a little too slow to be pleasant to use, with most operations such as a search on a catalog label taking 5-10 seconds to complete, and some much longer. And this is on a reasonably fast computer (27" IMAC with 2.9 GHz core i7). I'm migrating from Canto Cumulus to Photo Supreme, since Canto seems to be discontinuing support for the SIngle User edition. In that program with the same set of photos the results of operations, including complex searches, appear instantaneously.

Michael

UPDATE Hert; changed the title as the rest of the topic is not related to Version 2

[Mike Buckley]

I would expect Canto Cumulus, which if I understand correctly costs thousands of dollars, to be far faster than Photo Supreme, which costs only $56.

[mccross]

The single user version of Cumulus was about $50 when it was called Mediadex, and then the upgrade to Cumulus Single User when Canto took it back in house was about $200. But I agree, I would much rather use Photo Supreme than spend thousands of dollars upgrading to the full version of Cumulus . I can make a smaller catalog of photos I'm actually likely to want to use - Photo Supreme seems quite responsive with a catalog of half that size (i.e. 15,000 images). But I wonder how Cumulus makes their database functions so much faster.

Michael

[Hert]

Michael, when you select a catalog label in the Catalog Structure (CATALOG -> By Category). Can you state how long it takes to display the results of that catalog label (from click to display of thumbs) and how many images are in that collection?

Thank you

[mccross]

Initial searches on first loading the program can be slower, but once the program "warms up" (loads the thumb database into memory?) I find the time for searching on a single catalog label is 9 secs for a search that returns the whole catalog (30,000 images), 7 secs for one returning 20,000 images, 3 secs for 9000 images, and almost no pause for one returning 1000 images. If the whole catalog is open it takes 9 secs for one of the drop down filter menus ("Label" or "Type") to appear, again getting shorter if reduced sets are showing. Selecting all the thumbnails in the collection with CTRL-A (e.g. to run a script or export) takes 24 secs for all 30,000 images, 19 secs for 20,000 images, etc. So I misspoke when I said "most" operations take 5-10 secs, that's true only for ones involving a good fraction of the 30,000 images.

Michael

[Hert]

Thanks, this is a great case for comparison once v2 is available; maybe you can also share details about your configuration (CPU, internal memory, SSD or HDD, ...)

Selecting all the thumbnails in the collection with CTRL-A (e.g. to run a script or export) takes 24 secs for all 30,000 images, 19 secs for 20,000 images

This may also depend on what side panel you had open. For instance; if you have the Label Assignment Panel (LAP) open and then select 30000 images then the LAP will refresh and it has to look up for 30000 images which labels occur, and which state they have (orange/green). Of course, when you have no panel open then it won't have to do this.

A little off topic; but ask yourself why you would ever have a need to load 30000 images at once. The search features are there so that you can be more specific. Still I do understand your approach, because some other DAM tools work like the way you try to work...start with all images and then filter down to what you need. In PSU you would typically work the other way around...start with what you need. For example, don't start with 300000 images and then filter to a specific catalog label, but instead select the catalog label and work from there.

Hert

[mccross]

Thanks, this is a great case for comparison once v2 is available; maybe you can also share details about your configuration (CPU, internal memory, SSD or HDD, ...)

With respect to the timings, I have an IMAC with a 2.93 GHz core i7 (4 core) with 12GB memory and a regular hard drive, not SSD.

Selecting all the thumbnails in the collection with CTRL-A (e.g. to run a script or export) takes 24 secs for all 30,000 images, 19 secs for 20,000 images

This may also depend on what side panel you had open. For instance; if you have the Label Assignment Panel (LAP) open and then select 30000 images then the LAP will refresh and it has to look up for 30000 images which labels occur, and which state they have (orange/green). Of course, when you have no panel open then it won't have to do this.

For this I didn't have any panels open.

A little off topic; but ask yourself why you would ever have a need to load 30000 images at once. The search features are there so that you can be more specific. Still I do understand your approach, because some other DAM tools work like the way you try to work...start with all images and then filter down to what you need. In PSU you would typically work the other way around...start with what you need. For example, don't start with 300000 images and then filter to a specific catalog label, but instead select the catalog label and work from there.

That's good advice, and I'm learning how to use the program efficiently, for example, dragging the catalog labels into the "Dynamic Search" window rather than highlighting each one (which runs the, maybe slow, individual search) and then sending it to the dynamic search with the spacebar. Also, I probably want to do "whole catalog" operations, such as adding labels from a text file using the script you modified for me, more often in the initial migration to Photo Supreme than in regular use later.

Michael