Places

[AlainB]

I am confused by the way Photo Supreme handles places.

I thought that with repeated use of "Add Item" you can create a hierarchy of Country/State/City/Location and
then be able to drag any thumbnail into say a given Location, with the results that Country, State, City and Location are set, for example in the "Details" panel.

What if a picture is already assigned to a Country, and you want to assign it to a whole hierarchy Country/State/City/Location (with the same Country needles to say)?

It seems that dragging it into a Location or a City does nothing to the "Details" panel

[snowman1]

The hierarchy is a hierarchy of labels. The fields you see in the detail or geotag panel are dedicated fields within the xmp, these are not the same as labels.

The fields can be populated manually in the geotag panel or - if the image has a latitude and longtitude assigned - by a reverse location lookup (the button at the bottom left of the geotag panel). IIRC the reverse lookup uses a Google placename database and you will need to set up a Google account as detailed in the help documents to make this work.

I don't recall the exact behaviour but I'm pretty sure that if the fields are populated then PSU creates appropriate labels (if they don't already exist) and assigns them to the image; but it doesn't do the reverse. I don't actually see how it could as it has no way of knowing which field - city etc - a particuar label in an arbitrary, user-defined, hierarchy might correspond to.

[AlainB]

You are right. Pictures tagged by another application and then imported into PSu have the following mappings
Country
Map to:
photoshop:Country,Iptc4xmpExt:LocationCreated.Iptc4xmpExt:CountryName

State
photoshop:State,Iptc4xmpExt:LocationCreated.Iptc4xmpExt:ProvinceState

City
photoshop:City,Iptc4xmpExt:LocationCreated.Iptc4xmpExt:City

Location:
Iptc4xmpCore:Location,Iptc4xmpExt:LocationCreated.Iptc4xmpExt:Sublocation

[AlainB]

My catalog was created by importing pictures tagged with media pro. This has created a hierarchy of labels
Country/State/City/Location

If I import a new picture (tag less) and drag it thumbnail into one element of this existing hierarchy of labels, it GEO tag is assigned.
(this is the origin of my confusion)
This does not work however if I drag it thumbnail into a label created with Photo Supreme.

What puzzles me is that I cannot reproduce this behavior with a test catalog: namely
- assign fields in the geotag panel to some picture. This do create a hierarchy of labels
- but dragging a thumbnail into one element of this hierarchy does nothing to the GEO panel

[snowman1]

PSU can work both ways: geo fields to labels and labels to geo fields, making it flexible and powerful.

1. Labels have the capability of writing metadata fields (xmp). This happens upon syncing. To specify these actions, edit the label details "metadata" section. This includes the ability to specify that the label text is written to one (or more) of the xmp fields. For example a label "Amsterdam" in the places hierarchy can be configured so it writes "Amsterdam" to the "city" field. Or to the descriptive headline field. Or to any other field.

2. Labels also have the capability of writing a lat/long co-ordinate to metadata (xmp). This can be configured using the "GEO location" section of a label's details. For example you could configure a label "Sam's Restaurant" to write the lat/long of that restaurant to xmp. Again, this writing happens when you sync.

Both 1 and 2 are effectively ways of writing geo data to the xmp via labels rather than directly, which can be very useful if you do not record geo information or wish to geo-tagging in a more broad-brush way.

3. Going the other way, let's say you enter a city name into an image's metadata using the geotag panel (by manually entering, reverse lookup etc). PSU knows this is a city because you have entered the information into the city field; and so it can and does create a label for the city in the places hierarchy, and allocates the label to the image. If you look at the details of that label you can see it has been set up - as per (1) above - so it maps to the city xmp field; such that any other image you allocate to this place label will automatically have it's geo information "city" field populated when it is synced.

When, in your tests, you dragged an image thumbnail to a label in the places hierarchy, you have followed the path of (3) above, but the step you are missing is that you haven't synced that image, When you sync, the place label will be reflected in the geo panel.

[AlainB]

Thank you.

[AlainB]

When you left clic on a Country (In the Category panel) you obtain thumbnails for all States, plus individual thumbnails for pictures with no State tag. You can now attribute a State/City/Location to some "Stateless" picture, then sync it in order to have the good GEO tag. But
the thumbnail is still there among thumbnails for pictures with no State tag.
A way out is to Apply the GEO tag.

[Mke]

2. Labels also have the capability of writing a lat/long co-ordinate to metadata (xmp). This can be configured using the "GEO location" section of a label's details. For example you could configure a label "Sam's Restaurant" to write the lat/long of that restaurant to xmp. Again, this writing happens when you sync.
...which can be very useful if you do not record geo information or wish to geo-tagging in a more broad-brush way.

Tip: And if you do geo-code your photos, this is also very useful for speeding up labeling - I use it all the time.

Nearby places (that have geo coordinates) will be listed in the 'Nearby Labels' section of the labeling panel, for quick selection & without having to remember the exact name of the place.

[AlainB]

Sometimes I discover that some photo was not shot at place A (as entered in PSu) but at place B.
It took me some time to find a way to fix it, namely
- delete labels for A
- delete GEO tags for A
- set new label and Geo tag (as explained by y snowman1)

Is there a smarter way to do it ?

[Shutter Bug]

Hi snowman1,

Thank you for the post as I've been struggling to understand the relationship between the Places labels and the actual metadata stored in the photo.

3. Going the other way, let's say you enter a city name into an image's metadata using the geotag panel (by manually entering, reverse lookup etc). PSU knows this is a city because you have entered the information into the city field; and so it can and does create a label for the city in the places hierarchy, and allocates the label to the image. If you look at the details of that label you can see it has been set up - as per (1) above - so it maps to the city xmp field; such that any other image you allocate to this place label will automatically have it's geo information "city" field populated when it is synced.

It isn't working for me at least as I understand what you are saying in #3. I GEO Tag manually by going into the GeoTag screen and filling in the location, city, state, country. From what I understand you are saying in #3, by doing that, clicking apply, and then sync'ing the metadata to the file, it not only writes it to the appropriate fields in the metadata structure (like Iptc4XmlExt:LocationCreated) PSU should then create those elements under the Places category. Am I understanding you correctly?

If so, that is not working for me. Levels gets created under the Places category structure, except for the "leaf node". So if I was adding the Statue of Liberty, New York City, New York, and United States get created, but not the Statue of Liberty. I added a custom filed to the info panel to display iptc4xmpCore:Location and iptc4xmpExt:LocationCreated and those fields are getting populated. When I look in the Detail panel, the location info is now populated in the Image Content and IPTC Extension -> Location Created section. So, it is getting written out to the file, but nothing gets created in the Places category label for the end node.

Just to be make sure I hadn't configured something wrong in the Places labels I had already created by hand, I created a place new from scratch in the GEO Tag function with original names like "Test Country", "Test State", "Test City" and "Test Location". Everything in that new hierarchy was created under the Places category label except Test Location

Is that how it is supposed to work or am I doing something wrong or is something not working right?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[snowman1]

Settings -> sync settings -> "read settings" tab -> GEO location processing.

I think you have this set to "city". Change it to "location". I just tested this and it has the effect you want (ie when you enter the levels in the GEO panel, then click "apply", the fields it writes to the place labels are as per this setting).

[Shutter Bug]

Eureka!! That's it! Thank you so much!

I would have never thought that was configurable so the thought never crossed my mind to look in the configuration.

That was the final piece I needed. I really appreciate the help as always.

[snowman1]

I agree, it's not the most obvious place to look! Glad that's fixed it for you.