Thumbnails of raws are displayed with the edits applied. I would like to view the raw in its original form, rather than in its edited form. Is there a way to do this? Versioning has not been applied.
Edits to the raw have been made in Photo Ninja.
Any advice gratefully received.
View Unedited Raw
Re: View Unedited Raw
This is an unfortunate side-effect of having Photo Supreme attempting to support Photo Ninja previews. There is no way to turn it off, as far as I know. You might want to enter a feature request in Mantis to see if a preference setting can be added. I have adjusted my workflow to alleviate this but it means not taking advantage of some of the features of Photo Ninja.
For me, that's not a big deal because I always output my Photo Ninja edits to jpegs immediately. I use Photo Ninja as if it is a raw development plugin to Photo Supreme. In other words, I open individual files, one at a time using the link in Photo Supreme to Photo Ninja and then I make my adjustments, render to jpeg, then click cancel and go back to Photo Supreme. After I've adjusted all of the photos that I want to adjust, I do a folder verification in Photo Supreme and import the jpegs. During that import, I always tell Photo Supreme to ignore the _photoninja subfolder (I think that is what it's called) if it is found.
I realize that my workflow really defeats the purpose of being able to make non-destructive adjustments in Photo Ninja and just saving previews without outputting to jpeg but I have gotten used to doing it that way. I would support changes in Photo Supreme to make this work better if you want to pursue that.
For me, that's not a big deal because I always output my Photo Ninja edits to jpegs immediately. I use Photo Ninja as if it is a raw development plugin to Photo Supreme. In other words, I open individual files, one at a time using the link in Photo Supreme to Photo Ninja and then I make my adjustments, render to jpeg, then click cancel and go back to Photo Supreme. After I've adjusted all of the photos that I want to adjust, I do a folder verification in Photo Supreme and import the jpegs. During that import, I always tell Photo Supreme to ignore the _photoninja subfolder (I think that is what it's called) if it is found.
I realize that my workflow really defeats the purpose of being able to make non-destructive adjustments in Photo Ninja and just saving previews without outputting to jpeg but I have gotten used to doing it that way. I would support changes in Photo Supreme to make this work better if you want to pursue that.
Tom Stoddard
Re: View Unedited Raw
Londoner,
I'm sorry, I wrote my earlier response in haste. I should have given you a few more details to explain why I do what I do and how you might be able to accomplish want you want.
First of all, Photo Supreme (PSU) looks for a preview file in the _photoninja subfolder of the folder your original file is found in. In Photo Ninja (PN), there is a setting that tells PN whether or not to save a preview file in that subfolder. I believe that if you disable that setting, that there will be no preview file for PSU to find and you will be able to see the unedited raw image when you view it in PSU. You can test this by deleting one of those preview files and then rebuilding your thumbnail in PSU. You won't harm anything by deleting the preview file. PN claims that saving the preview files in that subfolder improves performance in their UI but I haven't noticed any difference by changing that setting.
The other thing I wanted to point out is why I "click Cancel" in PN after rendering my jpegs. When I output my adjusted images to jpeg, I always embed the PN settings in the jpeg file so that if I want to reopen it in PN later I can "re-edit" it starting with the adjustments I have already made by simply opening the jpeg. Since those settings are embedded in the file, I feel no need to save them in the xmp file of the raw image. If you make adjustments in PN and click "Save" before closing that file, the settings are written out to the xmp file. That would not be a problem but when PN does that it also rewrites some of the other metadata that PSU looks at in the xmp file. Anytime PN writes anything to the xmp file, PSU will notice it and will want to import the changes. This is not normally a problem but I have experienced some issues in the past where PN will write some metadata to the xmp files in ways that PSU doesn't interpret the same way PN does. I won't pass judgement on which one is at fault but suffice it to say they both attempt to comply with standards they just don't always comply with the same standards. Anyway, clicking Cancel prevents PN from writing to the xmp file every time I touch the image so I don't have any issues later in PSU.
It's unfortunate that there isn't a better way for these programs to get along. My perfect program would be one in which PSU manages all of my image files and their associated metadata and PN just does the adjustments. The way I do it now is very close to that but it would be nice if it was a little more tightly integrated. I know that PN can function as a plugin to Photoshop, it would be cool if it could do the same with PSU.
I'm sorry, I wrote my earlier response in haste. I should have given you a few more details to explain why I do what I do and how you might be able to accomplish want you want.
First of all, Photo Supreme (PSU) looks for a preview file in the _photoninja subfolder of the folder your original file is found in. In Photo Ninja (PN), there is a setting that tells PN whether or not to save a preview file in that subfolder. I believe that if you disable that setting, that there will be no preview file for PSU to find and you will be able to see the unedited raw image when you view it in PSU. You can test this by deleting one of those preview files and then rebuilding your thumbnail in PSU. You won't harm anything by deleting the preview file. PN claims that saving the preview files in that subfolder improves performance in their UI but I haven't noticed any difference by changing that setting.
The other thing I wanted to point out is why I "click Cancel" in PN after rendering my jpegs. When I output my adjusted images to jpeg, I always embed the PN settings in the jpeg file so that if I want to reopen it in PN later I can "re-edit" it starting with the adjustments I have already made by simply opening the jpeg. Since those settings are embedded in the file, I feel no need to save them in the xmp file of the raw image. If you make adjustments in PN and click "Save" before closing that file, the settings are written out to the xmp file. That would not be a problem but when PN does that it also rewrites some of the other metadata that PSU looks at in the xmp file. Anytime PN writes anything to the xmp file, PSU will notice it and will want to import the changes. This is not normally a problem but I have experienced some issues in the past where PN will write some metadata to the xmp files in ways that PSU doesn't interpret the same way PN does. I won't pass judgement on which one is at fault but suffice it to say they both attempt to comply with standards they just don't always comply with the same standards. Anyway, clicking Cancel prevents PN from writing to the xmp file every time I touch the image so I don't have any issues later in PSU.
It's unfortunate that there isn't a better way for these programs to get along. My perfect program would be one in which PSU manages all of my image files and their associated metadata and PN just does the adjustments. The way I do it now is very close to that but it would be nice if it was a little more tightly integrated. I know that PN can function as a plugin to Photoshop, it would be cool if it could do the same with PSU.
Tom Stoddard
Re: View Unedited Raw
Tom
Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful responses.
I will experiment along the lines you suggest.
Much appreciated.
Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful responses.
I will experiment along the lines you suggest.
Much appreciated.
Re: View Unedited Raw
A better integration with PhotoNinja would be great!