Image orientation / person in the image

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msw.photo
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Image orientation / person in the image

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I want to rotate my pictures. This process seems anything but intuitive.

Preliminary information: I have deactivated the automatic rotation of the camera, no information on the orientation is included in the RAW data.

In my case, the portrait format images usually have to be rotated counter-clockwise. In Adobe Bridge / ACR-Modul I rotate the images counterclockwise and they are correctly aligned, other applications such as ACDSee or DxO PhotoLab then display these images correctly aligned.
In my opinion, this corresponds to an industry standard, as the following entry can also be found in the XPM data:

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<rdf:Description … tiff:Orientation="8" … >
If I now use Photo Supreme to rotate my images, I encounter several problems:
- if I move the mouse over an image and use the two arrows that appear to rotate it, I can see the changes immediately in Photo Supreme. In all other applications, the images remain in their original orientation. In addition, the displayed shortcut ([ or ]) for this rotation does not work (macOS 14.5). If I then rotate the images in other applications such as Adobe Bridge / ACR module, ACDSee or DxO PhotoLab and then refresh the preview in Photo Supreme, the portrait format images are rotated a further 90° counterclockwise.

- if I use the Alignment dropdown in Details -> Recording data and rotate the images counterclockwise as usual, nothing happens at first. I am forced to first select Metadata -> Save metadata to file and then Operations -> Recreate selected thumbnails. However, this results in the images now being rotated clockwise. This clockwise rotation is then also visible in Adobe Bridge / ACR module, ACDSee and DxO PhotoLab.
Now the following entry can be found in the XPM data:

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<rdf:Description … tiff:Orientation="6" … >
But in order to achieve correct rotation in all applications, I have to select clockwise rotation for counterclockwise optical rotation. This confuses me. I also wonder why two additional steps are necessary in Photo Supreme to display the rotation.

- thirdly, rotations from other applications such as Adbobe Bridge / ACR module, ACDSee and DxO PhotoLab are not recognized in Photo Supreme when checking changes to folders. I have to regenerate all thumbnails at random.

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The second problem I have encountered, which can be reproduced regularly, concerns the person in the picture.
After I have rotated an image via Details -> Shooting data -> Orientation, saved the metadata and then generated the preview images again, I add a name in Details -> IPTC extension -> Person in image and confirm the entry with the OK button at the end.

This means that the information about the person in the picture is saved, but also that Photo Supreme no longer reacts and must be terminated immediately via programs.

I also don't understand the auto-suggest of fields such as people in the image. I have now entered several dozen names there. For names that I entered at the beginning, the name appears as a suggestion after I type the first letters of the name. Other names created later that also start like this (e.g. several people with the first name Christian and different surnames) do not appear in the suggestions. I don't understand that.

Many thanks in advance for any helpful hints.
Hert
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Re: Image orientation / person in the image

Post by Hert »

The easiest is always to use the rotation sensor in the camera.
That aside.

For RAW images, that PSU cannot write, the rotation icons on the thumbs add a rotation to the recipe of the image (it's an editing parameter).
If you want to change the orientation tag in the metadata then change that in the Details Panel -> Technical -> Orientation
PS. If you make orientation changes in other software then don't forget to reimport the metadata in PSU

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This can be achieved easier. You don’t have to enter "Person n Image" yourself. PSU will do that for you. And assigned catalog label from the People category automatically ends up as a "Person in Image" metadata entry (unless you make that catalog label private).
Follow the Face Recognition description in the Artificial Intelligence manual. Find the manuals by clicking the ? icon in the left sidebar.
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Hert
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Re: Image orientation / person in the image

Post by Hert »

Thinking about this further, the rotation buttons could work better for non-saveable file formats (such as RAW files). Currently PSU always creates a recipe item for such file formats when clicking the thumb rotation buttons...but it would be more transparent when RAW files get their orientation tag updated instead.
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