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gcurrie
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Re: file-manager

Post by gcurrie » 10 Oct 12 18:37

Mike:

I think what Jimi and other professionals are lamenting is the end of development. This means two things:

1. No fixes to outstanding bugs, ever.
2. No updating to support new RAW formats, ever.

Especially with #2, IDI is a dead end. Lightroom will continue to support new RAW formats, so you can purchase a camera next year and see support in LR in six months or less.

For those who are still using cameras they purchased years ago, IDI may still work.
For those who do not make a living from their photography, IDI may still work.

Anyone who has a business where IDI plays a key role, is in trouble and needs to look for an alternative as quickly as possible.
Gordon Currie
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Hert
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Re: file-manager

Post by Hert » 10 Oct 12 19:25

Gordon,

IDI users can always use the raw module that comes with PSU. They are exchangeable. New camera support was hardly ever something I had to act on to support them... because not that often a complete new raw format is introduced and existing formats have stabilized.

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Re: file-manager

Post by weidmic » 10 Oct 12 19:40

Hert,

You mean the DCRAW.dll from PSU will be compatible to IDi V5?
If so, you made my day :)

Now we need only someone who writes some uploadscripts to FB and Zenfolio when they change the API :mrgreen:

Anyway, just alone the above statement makes me happy! And I can ship around the known bugs...

Cheers,
Michael
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fbungarz
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Re: file-manager

Post by fbungarz » 14 Oct 12 4:11

PSU is a DAM tool, not a File Manager. Use a File Manager for this; for instance Windows Explorer.
I might be in danger of stating the obvious here:
DAM stands for Digital Asset Management. A File Manager manages files, which ARE digital assets.
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Re: file-manager

Post by fbungarz » 14 Oct 12 4:26

You're expecting PSU to be what IDimager is. I mentioned many times that they are different tools and aren't comparable.
BTW; IDimager is not killed. Further development has stopped. The software continues to run, you can still send support questions to support@idimager.com (or use the forum), you can still download the binaries, you can still download your license. Killed means that the product is gone. It is not.
Will IDimager support continue & will outstanding bugs be addressed?
IDimager is discontinued, so the answer is no.
Am I missing something here???

Is it just me who feels those statements contradict one another?

Again:
Hert writes:
....you can still send support questions to support@idimager.com (or use the forum)...
and then in response to a worried user:
Will IDimager support continue & will outstanding bugs be addressed?
IDimager is discontinued, so the answer is no.
So, one can ask for support, but support unfortunately is discontinued but IDI is still not killed, but remains alive...

Ah, sooo sorry, NOW I get it:
Its "Support" that is killed. IDI is only discontinued. What a relieve!

Hey, this reminds me of the good old days, when we had these discussions whether one "empties" an image basket or "deletes" a fast collection that is called image basket. Ah, the good ole days :wink:
Frank

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Re: file-manager

Post by Hert » 14 Oct 12 7:27

IDimager development is discontinued. Support questions about the existing version are still answered.

This topic is about Photo Supreme’s File Manager. Please stay on topic.

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Woodie
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Re: file-manager

Post by Woodie » 26 Oct 12 21:05

Craig Joiner wrote:
Hert/IDimager wrote:PSU is a DAM tool, not a File Manager. Use a File Manager for this; for instance Windows Explorer.
Sorry Hert, but that's a ridiculous statement. File Management is part of the DAM process. DAM systems manages files so how the can you say File Manager is not part of a DAM system. It might not be at the forefront of a DAM system, but it is still a vital part of the tool.

As part of my workflow I have to move finished images into my archive on my NAS. This archive is structured to mirror my backups so there is a folder for each main HDD backup that contains several sub folders that represent each secondary HDD backup and finally within each of these folders are sub folders that represent optical disk backups.

I need to be able to move folders around as my backup structure changes (ie I replace older drives with larger drives or migrate DVDs to BluRay.) I also need to monitor the size of my newest folder to ensure it will fit onto the target backup.

Yes I can do all of this outside of Supreme, but supreme won't know where my files have gone will it? That is a serious flaw for any DAM system.
Hert/IDimager wrote:You're expecting PSU to be what IDimager is. I mentioned many times that they are different tools and aren't comparable.
But supreme replaces IDimager, it's not an alternative product. Some expectation that functionality will continue is only to be expected if you take this approach. Will IDimager support continue & will outstanding bugs be addressed? If the answer to this is no then you have just alienated all your existing IDimager users.


dpBestflow.org clearly includes Folder Management as a critical part of cataloging/organizing images. Once I select through the tags the files I want, I should be able to put them in a new folder without exiting the catalog program. I strongly disagree with Hert that folder management is not part of cataloging.

InTheFlow
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Re: file-manager

Post by InTheFlow » 26 Oct 12 21:29

Isn't this feature what was recently implemented? I may not understand exactly what you want but I saw some folder management information in the latest version update notes...

Build 1.0.8.67 is available

This version completes the Physical Folder Management features in CATALOG > By Folder.
Photo Supreme now allows on physical folders: copy/paste of folders, cut/paste folders, delete folders from disk, rename folders on disk, create sub folders on disk

Additions:
- You can now physically delete a folder from disk in the Catalog -> By Folder
- You can now create physical folder on disk in Catalog -> By Folder

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Re: file-manager

Post by jstartin » 26 Oct 12 22:40

Woodie wrote:Once I select through the tags the files I want, I should be able to put them in a new folder without exiting the catalog program. I strongly disagree with Hert that folder management is not part of cataloging.
Having used your labels and PSu's search facilities to get images from all over your folder structure displayed in the collection viewer (the thumb display) you could select them all and use "Share/Folder Transfer" to copy the files to any other directory of your choice. If you want to reorganize your folder structure for cataloged images then "cut", "copy" and "paste" are context menu items in the "By Folder" view of the Catalog Explorer, but there is/are bug/s that need fixing first, unfortunately.

Also, being pedantic, folder management is not part of cataloging, but many people think it is part of digital asset management :wink: .
Jim (Photo Supreme: AMD Quad-Core A8-5500 Accelerated Processor 3.2 GHz; SSD; 16GB DDR3 SDRAM; Win10x64)

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Re: file-manager

Post by Woodie » 27 Oct 12 17:50

[/quote]
Also, being pedantic, folder management is not part of cataloging, but many people think it is part of digital asset management :wink: .[/quote]

Ah. You've found the answer. Supreme is a catalog application and IDimager was/is a DAM program.

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Re: file-manager

Post by Mike Buckley » 27 Oct 12 18:35

jstartin wrote:use "Share/Folder Transfer" to copy the files to any other directory of your choice.
If I copy multiple versions of the same image and if they are versioned before I copy them, do the copied images retain the versioning and the distinction between the Main Version and the sub-versions? My guess is probably not, that the copies can only be made sub-versions of the originals, but I hope I'm wrong.

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Re: file-manager

Post by jstartin » 27 Oct 12 20:43

Mike Buckley wrote: If I copy multiple versions of the same image and if they are versioned before I copy them, do the copied images retain the versioning and the distinction between the Main Version and the sub-versions? My guess is probably not, that the copies can only be made sub-versions of the originals, but I hope I'm wrong.
Not when using Share/File Transfer, as far as I can see; I may have pointed Woodie at the wrong feature. I think this is more for getting copies of files gathered in the collection viewer "out of PSu". If you want PSu to know about the copies they have to be imported. But isn't having multiple copies of the same file within the organization a bad thing?

Moving files (cut and paste or drag and drop) belonging to a version set to different folder/s does preserve the versioning fully. Changing from Main+sub-version in the same folder to a Main/Derivative folder structure and back seems to go fine, for example. I can't try moving a whole folder containing versioned images because of a current bug.

Copy and paste just puts extra copies of files in the destination, without labels or versioning, but I would have thought that this is correct. No?
Jim (Photo Supreme: AMD Quad-Core A8-5500 Accelerated Processor 3.2 GHz; SSD; 16GB DDR3 SDRAM; Win10x64)

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Re: file-manager

Post by Mike Buckley » 27 Oct 12 21:55

jstartin wrote: Moving files (cut and paste or drag and drop) belonging to a version set to different folder/s does preserve the versioning fully.
Ahhhhhhhh. I apparently misunderstood from messages posted awhile ago that that couldn't be done. That's exactly the capability that I want, especially now that it's possible to create new folders using Supreme. Thanks for that clarification.

As you can tell, I still haven't gotten around to trying Supreme. Hert's recent posts about upcoming capabilities and newly released capabilities make Supreme seem more and more promising for my use.

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Re: file-manager

Post by jstartin » 27 Oct 12 22:48

Mike Buckley wrote: Ahhhhhhhh. I apparently misunderstood from messages posted awhile ago that that couldn't be done.....
From memory, Hert has said repeatedly that "there is no File Manager" and there isn't, but there are certainly file management operations to move things around without breaking the catalog, remove folders/files from the catalog, delete from disk & remove from catalog etc. Some folder operations need debugging, but I think that what is needed to manage (rather than just catalog) "Digital Assets" will be available.
On the other hand, PSu doesn't track anything done with Windows Explorer, despite a facility to shell out to it.
Jim (Photo Supreme: AMD Quad-Core A8-5500 Accelerated Processor 3.2 GHz; SSD; 16GB DDR3 SDRAM; Win10x64)

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