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andy@damroundup.com
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Auto Version Function

Post by andy@damroundup.com » 06 May 11 22:54

co-authored: Dirk/Mike :)

It would be great if we could have an "auto-version" process with rules function. Basically, as Idi sync's an image (or when a new image is added to the database), a background process would fire off and try to version to an existing DB image using "rules" one sets up. Of course, some items would need to be worked out (is this done for every sync or is this done in a global process after syncing a group of images?), etc.

I think this would benefit those of us who use Idi as our main DAM application but edit our images using external tools. For me, LR/CS5 and numerous 3rd party plugins force me to create TIFF/JPG files when I need to use them and an auto-version detector would ensure these are always kept together.

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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by weidmic » 06 May 11 23:58

I would also like to see this feature :)

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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by DirkS » 07 May 11 0:20

+1

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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by fbungarz » 07 May 11 0:23

Hi all,
well this WOULD be a really cool feature though relatively useless if versioning continues as it is implemented right now: namely that IDI does not ensure that different versions automatically also contain the same metadata!!!

I find it extremely cumbersome to always have to use XMP cascading to make sure that any metadata that I apply to the main version are also present in all subversions. In fact with the several thousands of images in my database I have completely lost track how consistent my metadata are across different versions.
I know all the good arguments why sometimes one might prefer to have subversions with different metadata, however, that case really is an exception, not the rule. Yes, a version might be an image of a cropped group photo with only one person present in that image and have all those other labels also apply to the subversion would not make sense. BUT: labels generally apply to all versions - why can this NOT finally get implemented for all other metadata as well???

I also would like to repeat the request to make versions a lot more useful: Michael (weidemic) has repeatedly requested that one could select different versions to show up in a portfolio. That would help to make versions a lot more powerful...

So: I think versioning overall requires a big overhaul...for IDI 6.
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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by Mike Buckley » 07 May 11 2:00

andy@damroundup.com wrote:co-authored: Dirk/Mike :)
Not true. I wasn't smart enough to think of it. :mrgreen: It's Michael, not Mike, who co-authored this.

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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by andy@damroundup.com » 07 May 11 20:42

Mike Buckley wrote:
andy@damroundup.com wrote:co-authored: Dirk/Mike :)
Not true. I wasn't smart enough to think of it. :mrgreen: It's Michael, not Mike, who co-authored this.
Ha! I knew I should have used user names instead of the familiar - but I like giving credit to all Mikes/Michael's!! And, please don't sell yourself short my friend - you are about as knowledgeable as it comes!! :mrgreen:
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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by JimiV » 04 Jul 11 15:24

I would like to see that too, I think I actually requested it once in fact.

I hope Hert can get it implemented as it would be a huge timesaver in my workflow!
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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by rNeil » 06 Jul 11 18:33

The option for such a feature would be SO appreciated here! With the note that I'd love the ability to cascade-ADD metadata to things also, as Frank noted above.

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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by doug_w » 15 Jul 11 0:52

I agree on the metadata cascading. Ideally, there would be an option to synch images with the catalog and sync metadata across a version set in one step. Syncing would ensure that all images have the same metadata, which is different than cascading from one image.

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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by andy@damroundup.com » 15 Jul 11 13:35

Doug - agree with that... would be very helpful indeed.
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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by MikeA01730 » 15 Dec 11 21:27

I also think this is a great idea. This would save time AND help ensure that my meta data is up to date across versions.

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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by sgbotsford » 11 Feb 12 22:11

I am still downloading the mac beta, so I've not used the program yet, but metadata is key.

In general metadata should 'inherit' from the parent image. However it should be locally over-rideable. (Is that a word?)

Thus when you crop for for a couple out of a crowd, the metadata for people would be over-ridden.

I would suggest that if you implement this, use a different font for inherited data vs. local. E.g. inherited data is shown in italic, local in roman.

One of my peaves with Aperture is it's inability to track derivative images. It can do a nice set of non-destructive edits internally, but if you have to do a round trip to photoshop, some of your metadata gets mangled.

Implementing this can get tricky. I can suggest a few mechanisms.

1. File name stems. In this scheme you decide on how much of a name will be a stem. E.g
For the RedBinder project I set a root name of RedBinder_ and the the scans from those photos would be 001, 002 003. I scan as tiff, so I can pull out the shadows with at least some success. So the program will assume that any file name of the form RedBinder_006.{program extension} is essentially the same file, just tweaked. So Tiff, PSD, JPEG are all the same file as far as metadata. Internally it keeps track of when they appeared, and the oldest one is considered the master, and the others derivative. Later you can change this.

2. Now you edit the picture -- Say you use Photoshop to sharpen it. In saving the photoshop file you give it a name Redbinder_006-sharp. IDimager recognizes the stem -- Redbinder_006 and so initially assigns metadata from that image to the new image.

3. Or suppose you do a quarter res set of pictures for emailing. Redbinder_006-quarterres or Redbinder_006-email.

Would this sort of thing work?

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Re: Auto Version Function

Post by mphillips » 12 Feb 12 12:03

Hi There

Just a quick response to the
Implementing this can get tricky. I can suggest a few mechanisms.
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In the present Windows Version (V5) there is the Version Detection wizard which enables you to specify file names (and their portions) as masks when looking for versions.

This VDW (Version Detection Wizard) is run manually on a set of images - looking at another set of images - and then it assigns versions.

This has yet to be implemented in IDimager New Edition Beta for Mac - but I am sure it won't be long because at present there is no versioning mechanism for items existing in the catalog - apart from individual image drag and drop and that won't work for loads of images :D

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