Hi
I am currently trying out different DAM packages to see which most closely matches my needs. Today I did some tests and comparisons with PS3 against Daminion. I detected a couple of issues with the PS3 import process
1. It does not find all of my keywords and map them to categories. PS3 found 511 people keywords (in the form people|LASTNAME Firstname), on the same data Daminion found 572. I suspect that Daminion is closer to the truth, I will investigate further. I did notice when I was initially testing on smaller numbers that PS3 sometimes missed a person, it would often find later on a subsequent run.
2. I really love the new GPS location feature, but I think it still needs some work. One of my photos when imported twice came up with two different locations, not radically different, but I would have expected the same each time. What is this process using as a database?
3. Really a continuation of 2, under image details technical there are 4700 images with GPS coordinates, however, there are only 1383 images under places. Where are the others? (I had already noted that some photos in my initial test batch taken in Sardinia were not getting location information on import.
Thanks
Bob
Import differences
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Gardenrodent
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Re: Import differences
Addendum
I have just checked some of the photos where Daminion reported the keyword as present, but PS3 did not find it. In all cases checked the keyword was present in the file (JPG and NEF verified in ViewNX) but even asking PS3 to re-read the meta data did not find it.
Cheers
Bob
I have just checked some of the photos where Daminion reported the keyword as present, but PS3 did not find it. In all cases checked the keyword was present in the file (JPG and NEF verified in ViewNX) but even asking PS3 to re-read the meta data did not find it.
Cheers
Bob
Re: Import differences
Bob,
1) For the right terminology, Keywords aren't converted to Categories. They are converted to Catalog Labels. Categories are only the top levels (People, Events, Objects, etc) Also read Help -> Quick Manual Cataloging. If on import you get content in the People Category then that that info is read from PersonInImage metadata. Probably you have more "people" as keywords that are not in "PersonInImage". Those will then probably be found in the Miscellaneous category. Also use the search feature to see if that missing "Keyword" is maybe in another category than the People category. You can drag them to the People Category.
2) I think your image files are suffering from inconsistent metadata content. When you import to PSU, then it will import that what's there. If you get two locations then your existing image metadata already has two different locations in them. PSU doesn't change or lookup any place information. It just gives you what's already there and it won't make up near identical locations by itself.
3) I think come of your images have GPS written in Exif and not in XMP, while there is XMP. You probably used a tool for GPS tagging that doesn't consistently update the GPS at *all* places.
In general, what I first recommend that you do is:
1. Select all images in the catalog
2. Right click on a selected thumb
3. Select Metadata->Convert Metadata to XMP
That will line up your XMP metadata and take away inconsistencies between Exif/LegacyIPTC and XMP.
But all in all, it looks like you've used quite a few different tools on your images. When you do a test with a new application (PSU, Dominion or any other), then start the test with "virgin" images. That way you can really test if the tool reads and writes what you want. You'll be in control.
Good luck choosing a new DAM tool. You're in for a big challenge.
1) For the right terminology, Keywords aren't converted to Categories. They are converted to Catalog Labels. Categories are only the top levels (People, Events, Objects, etc) Also read Help -> Quick Manual Cataloging. If on import you get content in the People Category then that that info is read from PersonInImage metadata. Probably you have more "people" as keywords that are not in "PersonInImage". Those will then probably be found in the Miscellaneous category. Also use the search feature to see if that missing "Keyword" is maybe in another category than the People category. You can drag them to the People Category.
2) I think your image files are suffering from inconsistent metadata content. When you import to PSU, then it will import that what's there. If you get two locations then your existing image metadata already has two different locations in them. PSU doesn't change or lookup any place information. It just gives you what's already there and it won't make up near identical locations by itself.
3) I think come of your images have GPS written in Exif and not in XMP, while there is XMP. You probably used a tool for GPS tagging that doesn't consistently update the GPS at *all* places.
In general, what I first recommend that you do is:
1. Select all images in the catalog
2. Right click on a selected thumb
3. Select Metadata->Convert Metadata to XMP
That will line up your XMP metadata and take away inconsistencies between Exif/LegacyIPTC and XMP.
But all in all, it looks like you've used quite a few different tools on your images. When you do a test with a new application (PSU, Dominion or any other), then start the test with "virgin" images. That way you can really test if the tool reads and writes what you want. You'll be in control.
Good luck choosing a new DAM tool. You're in for a big challenge.
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Gardenrodent
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Re: Import differences
Thanks for the comments, I have looked a little more deeply at what seems to be happening.
1) It seems that the files keywords that get correctly ingested into PSU are from .NEF files that do not have .XMP sidecars. The workflow I am trying to use is to write the person name into the keywords using AvPicFaceXmpTagger, it is reading the picasa.ini file and adding the keywords into the image. The keywords are being written in the form people|LASTNAME Firstname. As far as I can tell this process is working correctly, using ViewNX (and PSU where the keyword has successfully ingested as a catalogue label) I can see the keyword. I seem to remember from somewhere that if the XMP is written then the IPTC is ignored? I don't know where to look to see if there is a copy of the keyword in the XMP? Or am I barking up entirely the wrong tree?
I have tried the convert Metadata to XMP but the file still does not appear under the correct person label, is another action required?
2)Your theory for 2 may be correct. The photo where this happened is unusual in that it was geotagged by external software from a GPS track. However, I have not been able to replicate this behaviour since, but sometimes it does not appear in places
3)For the other GPS data I am adding the GPS coordinates directly from the camera, a D800 with a GPS unit attached. The problem here seems to be that the reverse lookup is not providing a place name, it starts with the country code and not the place name. In this situation I would expect the photo labels to at least put the photo under the places category, but at the country level?
Below is the location information for a file with this condition (extracted in ViewNX):-
Location Info
Latitude: N 41°14.662' (41°14'39.7")
Longitude: E 9°8.582' (9°8'34.9")
Altitude: 43.00m
Altitude Reference: Sea level reference (negative value)
Heading: 22.40 (M)
UTC: 25/09/2014 10:18:20.00
Map Datum:
While I agree to a point with what you say about starting with virgin files, the real world is that it is my collection as it is that needs to be ingested. I am trying to localise various tests by using photos that I know most of what has happened to them. As I find new conditions I add other images to exemplify that condition, and combinations of conditions.
To be frank, I would like to use PSU, I have a licence for version 1 (I think) and before that I had IDimager, but I abandoned them simply because they were too slow on the hardware I had at the time. Since then PSU seems to have improved speed wise, and I have a much more powerful machine to play with. Ultimately I will not know if it is really better until I load my whole collection, but given the problems so far that is some way off.
Thanks for your help, any more pointers would be appreciated.
Bob
1) It seems that the files keywords that get correctly ingested into PSU are from .NEF files that do not have .XMP sidecars. The workflow I am trying to use is to write the person name into the keywords using AvPicFaceXmpTagger, it is reading the picasa.ini file and adding the keywords into the image. The keywords are being written in the form people|LASTNAME Firstname. As far as I can tell this process is working correctly, using ViewNX (and PSU where the keyword has successfully ingested as a catalogue label) I can see the keyword. I seem to remember from somewhere that if the XMP is written then the IPTC is ignored? I don't know where to look to see if there is a copy of the keyword in the XMP? Or am I barking up entirely the wrong tree?
I have tried the convert Metadata to XMP but the file still does not appear under the correct person label, is another action required?
2)Your theory for 2 may be correct. The photo where this happened is unusual in that it was geotagged by external software from a GPS track. However, I have not been able to replicate this behaviour since, but sometimes it does not appear in places
3)For the other GPS data I am adding the GPS coordinates directly from the camera, a D800 with a GPS unit attached. The problem here seems to be that the reverse lookup is not providing a place name, it starts with the country code and not the place name. In this situation I would expect the photo labels to at least put the photo under the places category, but at the country level?
Below is the location information for a file with this condition (extracted in ViewNX):-
Location Info
Latitude: N 41°14.662' (41°14'39.7")
Longitude: E 9°8.582' (9°8'34.9")
Altitude: 43.00m
Altitude Reference: Sea level reference (negative value)
Heading: 22.40 (M)
UTC: 25/09/2014 10:18:20.00
Map Datum:
While I agree to a point with what you say about starting with virgin files, the real world is that it is my collection as it is that needs to be ingested. I am trying to localise various tests by using photos that I know most of what has happened to them. As I find new conditions I add other images to exemplify that condition, and combinations of conditions.
To be frank, I would like to use PSU, I have a licence for version 1 (I think) and before that I had IDimager, but I abandoned them simply because they were too slow on the hardware I had at the time. Since then PSU seems to have improved speed wise, and I have a much more powerful machine to play with. Ultimately I will not know if it is really better until I load my whole collection, but given the problems so far that is some way off.
Thanks for your help, any more pointers would be appreciated.
Bob
Re: Import differences
Bob,
About (3). When your images have GPS coordinates but no consistent location details (country/state/city...) then try to do a reverse lookup with PSU. Select a few thumbs, then right click on a selected thumb and select "Operations->GEO Reverse Lookup Files". That will line up your location details.
About (3). When your images have GPS coordinates but no consistent location details (country/state/city...) then try to do a reverse lookup with PSU. Select a few thumbs, then right click on a selected thumb and select "Operations->GEO Reverse Lookup Files". That will line up your location details.
This is a user-to-user forum. If you have suggestions, requests or need support then please send a message