Writing metadata seems to update also the catalog

[HaraldE]

Gentlemen,

Thanks to Vlad and Mike I am starting to understand a few things while other are still not clear ... as it is said "I am still confused but now on a higher level"
For what it is worth, below are my detailed notes from when I worked on the two files. Maybe they can be of value to someone.

Regrads, Harald

Photo 109:
Within PSU I went looking for the word "Archive"
> I can see the keyword Archive in the details panel.
> Also the lable Archive is shown when I view the assignement panel.
> When I check the Catalog > By Catagory I find 109 listed against Archive

When I use ExifTool I can find the word "Archive" in the following metadata fields
> XMP-dc-Subject
> XMP-lr-HierachicalSubject
> XMP-ics-Labelname2
> IPTC-Keywords

Now I did a Save metadata to file when the details panel was open. No change was seen of keywords listed in Descriptions tab.
When checked in ExifTool I could see the word Archive in the same places as before.

Photo 112:
Within PSU I went looking for the word "Archive"
> I can see the keyword Archive in the details panel.
> The lable Archive is not shown when I view the assignement panel.
> When I check the Catalog > By Catagory I do not find 112 listed against Archive

When I use ExifTool I can find the word "Archive" in the following metadata fields
> IPTC-Keywords

The following 3 metadata tags do not exist at all
> XMP-dc-Subject
> XMP-lr-HierachicalSubject
> XMP-ics-Labelname2

Now I did a Save metadata to file when the details panel was open. Immediately all keywords were removed from the Descriptions tab.
When checked in ExifTool I could see that the word Archive was not found anywhere. Also the tag IPTC-Keywords was removed.

[Mike Buckley]

Harald,

Everything in your most recent post makes perfect sense to me and adds clarity to your previous explanations.

Now I did a Save metadata to file when the details panel was open. No change was seen of keywords listed in Descriptions tab.

Just be aware that every once in a while you might have to refresh the screen to display changes. If nothing changed when you expected a change, try refreshing the screen.

[HaraldE]

Just be aware that every once in a while you might have to refresh the screen to display changes. If nothing changed when you expected a change, try refreshing the screen.

Mike, I was not aware of this need. Could you tell me a simple way to refresh the screen? Would it include the need to restart PSU?

[HaraldE]

Friends,

I forgot the ultimate question .... How do I filter out the images that have any keyword attached to them?

Regards, Harald

[vlad]

Hi Harald,

I forgot the ultimate question .... How do I filter out the images that have any keyword attached to them?

Try this: Filter -> Filter By Macro Command and specify: %xmp:dc:subject + Doesn't Equal + leave the value empty. This will keep only the images without keywords in their metadata. (If you wanted to filter out all images with labels, you could invoke: Filter -> Label -> With no labels.)

Regarding the refreshing of the Details panel, I am not aware of any way (or need) to do that. But your report about picture 109 ("No change was seen of keywords listed in Descriptions tab") fits my expectations, as the labels and keywords were already lined up for that image.

[Mike Buckley]

The need to refresh on my system happens very rarely and it happens a lot less than what I remember about IDimager. But it does happen. If you're using Windows, pressing F5 will refresh the screen. Alternatively, stay within PSU and change to any other collection and then return to the original collection. Both methods are conventions of Windows. There is never a need to exit PSU to refresh the screen. I don't know about using a Mac.

[HaraldE]

Try this: Filter -> Filter By Macro Command and specify: %xmp:dc:subject + Doesn't Equal + leave the value empty. This will keep only the images without keywords in their metadata. (If you wanted to filter out all images with labels, you could invoke: Filter -> Label -> With no labels.)

Thanks Vlad, this indeed works. Now I see a path in front of me, my aim is to get rid of unwanted keywords and labels and also remove orphaned keywords. The way I wil do this (I think) is as follows
> Look through list of labels and remove those that obvously should not be there
> Filter out images that has keywords with no corresponding label, these are those I consider "orphaned". Review and (probably) delete them all. There may be some I want to keep as labels

When I say "unwanted" above I mainly mean those labels/keywords that at some stage were generated from the folder path. I have many called 1991 or 1992 or 1993 ... and so on. They have today no value for me.

And Yes I will walk slowly and carefully ... and Yes I will do a backup first ... and Yes I am sure to do some stupid misstakes ... but what would life be if we didn't allow errors now and then ... rather boring I would say

Regards, Harald

[vlad]

Hi Harald,

I am not sure how you're planning to identify all your images with unwanted keywords (especially if there are a lot of them), since the macro-based filter I earlier indicated does not help distinguishing between keywords with and without corresponding labels. To make such a job easier (for you, and potentially for others too), I wrote two different scripts for identifying (filtering) images with either unknown or unassigned (non-matching) keywords. I have posted the filter scripts and their details in a different thread (as I thought they did not necessarily have to be tied to your particular issue) - please look there: http://forum.idimager.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=23731

Hope that helps,
Vlad

[HaraldE]

Thanks Vlad,

Help much appreciated. I will test soon and report back in this other thread

Regards, Harald